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		<title>By: Because &#171; Rowan Simpson</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2008/12/21/tvcs/#comment-8996</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Because &#171; Rowan Simpson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A propensity to spend far too much on everything, most obviously some terrible television ads. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2008/12/21/tvcs/#comment-8582</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are two questions there: Are they making more money than TM Jobs? I don&#039;t know but I doubt their profitability is as high as TM. TM is probably pretty profitable since it was a simple add on to the original TM and doesn&#039;t have much (any?) advertising budget. 

The second question on whether Seek win because they do lots of advertising or because they have a better product is pretty obvious. The Seek product is nothing special and the barrier to entry for other job boards with better features is very low, however Seek stays no. 1 thanks to the advertising. Features just aren&#039;t that important to job hunters because generally they want to be in a job not looking for one all the time. For employers they want coverage and a pool to choose from, Seek&#039;s popularity helps cover that for them. So I think the online job board industry might be the very exception to the rule you&#039;re talking about here in that advertising is critical to success rather than product.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two questions there: Are they making more money than TM Jobs? I don&#8217;t know but I doubt their profitability is as high as TM. TM is probably pretty profitable since it was a simple add on to the original TM and doesn&#8217;t have much (any?) advertising budget. </p>
<p>The second question on whether Seek win because they do lots of advertising or because they have a better product is pretty obvious. The Seek product is nothing special and the barrier to entry for other job boards with better features is very low, however Seek stays no. 1 thanks to the advertising. Features just aren&#8217;t that important to job hunters because generally they want to be in a job not looking for one all the time. For employers they want coverage and a pool to choose from, Seek&#8217;s popularity helps cover that for them. So I think the online job board industry might be the very exception to the rule you&#8217;re talking about here in that advertising is critical to success rather than product.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Simpson</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2008/12/21/tvcs/#comment-8581</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rowan Simpson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point about Seek.  

They advertise a lot, in a number of different places - from the back of buses to billboards on the side of the field at the rugby and cricket.  They also spend a lot on TV.

I&#039;d be interested to know what the impact of all of this is on their  bottom line - i.e. are they making more money than Trade Me Jobs?

I also think that you&#039;re right about the comparison - they focus on doing one thing, and do it well.  

See: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/1481-showing-the-difference-between-a-19-and-22-suitcase&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Showing the difference between a 19&quot; and a 22&quot; suitcase&lt;/a&gt; from 37signals blog

So, the question is: do they win because they do lots of advertising or do they win because they have a better product?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about Seek.  </p>
<p>They advertise a lot, in a number of different places &#8211; from the back of buses to billboards on the side of the field at the rugby and cricket.  They also spend a lot on TV.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to know what the impact of all of this is on their  bottom line &#8211; i.e. are they making more money than Trade Me Jobs?</p>
<p>I also think that you&#8217;re right about the comparison &#8211; they focus on doing one thing, and do it well.  </p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/1481-showing-the-difference-between-a-19-and-22-suitcase" rel="nofollow">Showing the difference between a 19&#8243; and a 22&#8243; suitcase</a> from 37signals blog</p>
<p>So, the question is: do they win because they do lots of advertising or do they win because they have a better product?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2008/12/21/tvcs/#comment-8577</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funnily enough Monster and that ad were pretty successful. And as I&#039;m sure you&#039;re aware Seek.co.nz advertise quite a bit on TV and are still spanking the pants off of Trademe Jobs who&#039;ve yet to understand the difference between a job ad and an ad for real estate or goods. Although I&#039;d agree that it&#039;s probably a bit of the exception to the rule overall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funnily enough Monster and that ad were pretty successful. And as I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re aware Seek.co.nz advertise quite a bit on TV and are still spanking the pants off of Trademe Jobs who&#8217;ve yet to understand the difference between a job ad and an ad for real estate or goods. Although I&#8217;d agree that it&#8217;s probably a bit of the exception to the rule overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2008/12/21/tvcs/#comment-8574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tend to agree although I remember seeing an article a year or so back which surprised me by attributing something like 50% of all searches in Google (NZ) to a TVC as in: punter sees TVC &gt; whips into Google (ignoring site URLs advertised). 

I didn&#039;t pay  much attention at the time, and have never been able to find that article since, or those stats. Maybe they are a figment of my imagination - probably. If not - then it is quite a biggie. Even still, that would only be about &#039;driving people to the starting line&#039; - so hardly the be-all.

Still amazes me how few NZ businesses in general invest in any kind of post-click marketing in any case.

Anyone else remember that article or those stats?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree although I remember seeing an article a year or so back which surprised me by attributing something like 50% of all searches in Google (NZ) to a TVC as in: punter sees TVC &gt; whips into Google (ignoring site URLs advertised). </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t pay  much attention at the time, and have never been able to find that article since, or those stats. Maybe they are a figment of my imagination &#8211; probably. If not &#8211; then it is quite a biggie. Even still, that would only be about &#8216;driving people to the starting line&#8217; &#8211; so hardly the be-all.</p>
<p>Still amazes me how few NZ businesses in general invest in any kind of post-click marketing in any case.</p>
<p>Anyone else remember that article or those stats?</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2008/12/21/tvcs/#comment-8573</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect Suzanne Paul is the only person in nz who proved television ads worked. but that was in pre web days

i would have thought there were cheaper more targeted ways to promote your band in this day and age. TV ads is like thrown a whole lot of crap against a wall and hoping something will stick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect Suzanne Paul is the only person in nz who proved television ads worked. but that was in pre web days</p>
<p>i would have thought there were cheaper more targeted ways to promote your band in this day and age. TV ads is like thrown a whole lot of crap against a wall and hoping something will stick</p>
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