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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2009/03/08/there-is-no-depression-in-nz-yet/#comment-10056</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Che

http://www.google.com/trends?q=the+great+recession]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Che</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=the+great+recession" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/trends?q=the+great+recession</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Parker's Outside Line : SilverStripe = FREE, the MIX09 Keynote</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nigel Parker's Outside Line : SilverStripe = FREE, the MIX09 Keynote]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] There is an interesting discussion going on over on Rowan Simpson’s blog where he states that “There is No Depression in New Zealand Yet”. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There is an interesting discussion going on over on Rowan Simpson’s blog where he states that “There is No Depression in New Zealand Yet”. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Simpson</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2009/03/08/there-is-no-depression-in-nz-yet/#comment-9693</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rowan Simpson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Related to all of this, here is an excellent graphic from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mint.com/blog/finance-core/five-ways-youll-know-the-recession-is-over/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Mint Blog&lt;/a&gt;:

http://www.mint.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/expansionrecessiontimeline3.jpg

So, in my lifetime there have been just 49 months (or slightly over 4 years) of recession, compared to 350 months of expansion.

That doesn&#039;t seem a bad ratio?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related to all of this, here is an excellent graphic from <a href="http://www.mint.com/blog/finance-core/five-ways-youll-know-the-recession-is-over/" rel="nofollow">the Mint Blog</a>:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mint.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/expansionrecessiontimeline3.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.mint.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/expansionrecessiontimeline3.jpg</a></p>
<p>So, in my lifetime there have been just 49 months (or slightly over 4 years) of recession, compared to 350 months of expansion.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t seem a bad ratio?</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rowan Simpson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Che

That label in itself is depressing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Che</p>
<p>That label in itself is depressing!</p>
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		<title>By: Che Tibby</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2009/03/08/there-is-no-depression-in-nz-yet/#comment-9541</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Che Tibby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m sure you&#039;ve heard that the label was applied by the IMF today.

&quot;the great recession&quot;

a lot of imagination, those IMF guys.

http://tinyurl.com/asz76d]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve heard that the label was applied by the IMF today.</p>
<p>&#8220;the great recession&#8221;</p>
<p>a lot of imagination, those IMF guys.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/asz76d" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/asz76d</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Kempton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven Kempton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love Zef&#039;s Wellington conspiracy theory. There isn&#039;t really an economic downturn in Wellington at all, it&#039;s actually a political move by a new government to punish Helen supporters. Where&#039;s the Scooby Doo ending?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Zef&#8217;s Wellington conspiracy theory. There isn&#8217;t really an economic downturn in Wellington at all, it&#8217;s actually a political move by a new government to punish Helen supporters. Where&#8217;s the Scooby Doo ending?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2009/03/08/there-is-no-depression-in-nz-yet/#comment-9448</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kristin
It is my belief that PR companies can destroy start-up businesses (or any business for that matter). Take &quot;Ferrit&quot; as an example, the advertising and PR all convinced us to take a look, but when we got there it was crap.

I don&#039;t understand why more advertising agencies don&#039;t front up to their clients and tell them to refine their online assets before advertising it to the broader market. Just because you have the money to advertise doesn&#039;t mean its a good time to spend it.

If the experience of using the site is crap, then bad &quot;word of mouth&quot; will follow.

Rowans motto of build a good site and then let customers sell it for you in my mind is the ultimate form of advertising.

To do that you have to win a niche group of individuals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kristin<br />
It is my belief that PR companies can destroy start-up businesses (or any business for that matter). Take &#8220;Ferrit&#8221; as an example, the advertising and PR all convinced us to take a look, but when we got there it was crap.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why more advertising agencies don&#8217;t front up to their clients and tell them to refine their online assets before advertising it to the broader market. Just because you have the money to advertise doesn&#8217;t mean its a good time to spend it.</p>
<p>If the experience of using the site is crap, then bad &#8220;word of mouth&#8221; will follow.</p>
<p>Rowans motto of build a good site and then let customers sell it for you in my mind is the ultimate form of advertising.</p>
<p>To do that you have to win a niche group of individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A good read for today&#039;s climate both economic and social is, 
&#039;No Man is an Island&#039; by Thomas Merton, written in 1948 it is a profound read. &quot;Simplicity is the key&quot;, that quote is from an Interview I filmed in Ogden Utah back in 2005. A single white mormon woman with 3 children learning to start life over again. We are in a momentus time of history, what has worked to date, what got us here, doesn&#039;t carry much weight at present. As a generation or two or three we have lost the plot, lost our way. The main way forward is to acknowledge first that we do indeed have a problem, then anything is possible. Denial is a killer and I believe much of society, not only in aotearoa nz, but around the planet, is not willing to accept reality. At the present time America is in free fall and it will not leave us untouched. In 1987 I arrived in New York, the downturn was a boom period for me but that was then and this is now and this period is going to shred wealth in a way we have not seen since the 1870&#039;s, yep, go back that far and see what happened in America. There was financial and social chaos. This was the period of unprecedented development in the American West, the age of the cowboy. The age of the Rustler. We are but a corner store in the south pacific and we need to cut our cloth accordingly. Hard work, thrift, innovation, value, integrity. These need to be our mantra.
Courage, faith, hope, trust. These need to be our creed. i can but hope that I can practice these attributes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good read for today&#8217;s climate both economic and social is,<br />
&#8216;No Man is an Island&#8217; by Thomas Merton, written in 1948 it is a profound read. &#8220;Simplicity is the key&#8221;, that quote is from an Interview I filmed in Ogden Utah back in 2005. A single white mormon woman with 3 children learning to start life over again. We are in a momentus time of history, what has worked to date, what got us here, doesn&#8217;t carry much weight at present. As a generation or two or three we have lost the plot, lost our way. The main way forward is to acknowledge first that we do indeed have a problem, then anything is possible. Denial is a killer and I believe much of society, not only in aotearoa nz, but around the planet, is not willing to accept reality. At the present time America is in free fall and it will not leave us untouched. In 1987 I arrived in New York, the downturn was a boom period for me but that was then and this is now and this period is going to shred wealth in a way we have not seen since the 1870&#8242;s, yep, go back that far and see what happened in America. There was financial and social chaos. This was the period of unprecedented development in the American West, the age of the cowboy. The age of the Rustler. We are but a corner store in the south pacific and we need to cut our cloth accordingly. Hard work, thrift, innovation, value, integrity. These need to be our mantra.<br />
Courage, faith, hope, trust. These need to be our creed. i can but hope that I can practice these attributes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2009/03/08/there-is-no-depression-in-nz-yet/#comment-9445</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ben 

&quot;People doing cool stuff will be the focus on the internet again, not start-ups with VC money and good PR companies.&quot;

Agreed. A friend working on a web start-up has iterated numerous times in the past 3 years and recently arrived at a solution pretty well matched to the recession.

&quot;...out of destruction a new spirit of creativity arises&quot;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction

On another note, maybe all this will lead to an increase in business blogging, given its cost effectiveness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben </p>
<p>&#8220;People doing cool stuff will be the focus on the internet again, not start-ups with VC money and good PR companies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed. A friend working on a web start-up has iterated numerous times in the past 3 years and recently arrived at a solution pretty well matched to the recession.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;out of destruction a new spirit of creativity arises&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction</a></p>
<p>On another note, maybe all this will lead to an increase in business blogging, given its cost effectiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: steve davies</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve davies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 07:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just prior to the recession/depression (whatever you want to call it) I started my website marketing and promoting &lt;a href=&quot;http://Accommodate-Me.co.nz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;boutique accommodation throughout New Zealand&lt;/a&gt;. The last 6 months have been flat out for me. 

These accommodation properties are starting to struggle and have begun re-accessing their marketing plans. Because my website is devoted to accommodation with experiences, I seem to have become a winner with many of them wanting to join.

No longer do they need to compete against big brand hotels or run-down motels who are flogging themselves at cut throat prices. Now they can stand apart.

Unlike most hotels, boutique accommodation is an experience, not just a room, so they will always cost a little more.

My plan is to continue to invest in my site and work my little ass off so that in 3 years time when greed dominates again, I will hopefully be able to take full advantage of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just prior to the recession/depression (whatever you want to call it) I started my website marketing and promoting <a href="http://Accommodate-Me.co.nz" rel="nofollow">boutique accommodation throughout New Zealand</a>. The last 6 months have been flat out for me. </p>
<p>These accommodation properties are starting to struggle and have begun re-accessing their marketing plans. Because my website is devoted to accommodation with experiences, I seem to have become a winner with many of them wanting to join.</p>
<p>No longer do they need to compete against big brand hotels or run-down motels who are flogging themselves at cut throat prices. Now they can stand apart.</p>
<p>Unlike most hotels, boutique accommodation is an experience, not just a room, so they will always cost a little more.</p>
<p>My plan is to continue to invest in my site and work my little ass off so that in 3 years time when greed dominates again, I will hopefully be able to take full advantage of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rowan Simpson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 06:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good comments, thank you.  Keep them coming.

I&#039;m very pleased to note the absence of anybody saying &quot;when the tide goes out everybody gets to see who has been swimming naked&quot;.  As true as that may be, it has quickly become the most overused metaphor.

Have you noticed how many of the habits and behaviours that are being suggested as solutions to this situation are &quot;old fashioned&quot;:


Spend less than you earn
Sell things at a profit
Live in a house you can afford
If you want to get ahead, make something new and do the hard yards - i.e. no short cuts
Try and be &quot;smart, generous and hard working&quot; (well put Mr Moscovitz)


My grand-parents would feel right at home today.  Then again, the Depression wasn&#039;t something they read about on Wikipedia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments, thank you.  Keep them coming.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very pleased to note the absence of anybody saying &#8220;when the tide goes out everybody gets to see who has been swimming naked&#8221;.  As true as that may be, it has quickly become the most overused metaphor.</p>
<p>Have you noticed how many of the habits and behaviours that are being suggested as solutions to this situation are &#8220;old fashioned&#8221;:</p>
<p>Spend less than you earn<br />
Sell things at a profit<br />
Live in a house you can afford<br />
If you want to get ahead, make something new and do the hard yards &#8211; i.e. no short cuts<br />
Try and be &#8220;smart, generous and hard working&#8221; (well put Mr Moscovitz)</p>
<p>My grand-parents would feel right at home today.  Then again, the Depression wasn&#8217;t something they read about on Wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rowan Simpson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 06:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Koz

&quot;If the producers of the show were anything other than scumbags they&#039;d be doing follow-up visits now and showing the pain and suffering the families feel now that their levered asset bubble has burst.&quot;

Some (not me, note) might argue that it would be reasonably scumbag-ish either way. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Koz</p>
<p>&#8220;If the producers of the show were anything other than scumbags they&#8217;d be doing follow-up visits now and showing the pain and suffering the families feel now that their levered asset bubble has burst.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some (not me, note) might argue that it would be reasonably scumbag-ish either way. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rowan Simpson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 06:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Johnny-Johnny

Wikipedia has some numbers about the 1987 crash - aka &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_of_1987&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Black Monday&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Johnny-Johnny</p>
<p>Wikipedia has some numbers about the 1987 crash &#8211; aka <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_of_1987" rel="nofollow">Black Monday</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a simple view of economics - its that digging stuff out of the ground, or refining raw materials into physical goods should be the majority of your economy - and financial / real estate trading should be a small percentage of your economy.

The baby boomers who had money to invest should&#039;ve been using that money to buy tool and die machines from hamburg, not pricing younger people out of the housing markets and buying 7 series cars from munich. A factory in Levin can export to all over the world - how does another mcmansion suburb in tawa make New Zealand more competitive internationally?

The benefits that I see from this coming crunch (which is going to get a lot worse imho before it bottoms out and starts to organically right itself) are:

 * Companies that export and are contributing to the economy will be the success stories - not property investors / financial companies.

 * House price affordability will be corrected.

 * People doing cool stuff will be the focus on the internet again, not start-ups with VC money and good PR companies.

:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a simple view of economics &#8211; its that digging stuff out of the ground, or refining raw materials into physical goods should be the majority of your economy &#8211; and financial / real estate trading should be a small percentage of your economy.</p>
<p>The baby boomers who had money to invest should&#8217;ve been using that money to buy tool and die machines from hamburg, not pricing younger people out of the housing markets and buying 7 series cars from munich. A factory in Levin can export to all over the world &#8211; how does another mcmansion suburb in tawa make New Zealand more competitive internationally?</p>
<p>The benefits that I see from this coming crunch (which is going to get a lot worse imho before it bottoms out and starts to organically right itself) are:</p>
<p> * Companies that export and are contributing to the economy will be the success stories &#8211; not property investors / financial companies.</p>
<p> * House price affordability will be corrected.</p>
<p> * People doing cool stuff will be the focus on the internet again, not start-ups with VC money and good PR companies.</p>
<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: Zef</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zef]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Working from Wellington, I&#039;m actually noticing more effect from the change of Govt than the downturn. The new Govt is using the downturn as an excuse to freeze projects and &#039;reallocate priorities&#039; but everyone knows their agenda would have happened anyway. Few Wellingtonians are willing to talk about it, but I&#039;m hearing of stories all over the place from various companies who have had contracts ripped from under them or stalled. The Govt&#039;s policy-motivated decisions are costing people their jobs. The Emissions Trading Scheme is just one example of where many small business were set-up to utilise and support the scheme but are now in limbo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working from Wellington, I&#8217;m actually noticing more effect from the change of Govt than the downturn. The new Govt is using the downturn as an excuse to freeze projects and &#8216;reallocate priorities&#8217; but everyone knows their agenda would have happened anyway. Few Wellingtonians are willing to talk about it, but I&#8217;m hearing of stories all over the place from various companies who have had contracts ripped from under them or stalled. The Govt&#8217;s policy-motivated decisions are costing people their jobs. The Emissions Trading Scheme is just one example of where many small business were set-up to utilise and support the scheme but are now in limbo.</p>
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		<title>By: Koz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Koz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If anything I think most new zealanders are still quite naive about the extent of pain that we&#039;re going to feel as a result of the global slow down. 

People the world over are freaking out and stopping buying non-essentials.   To an extent we&#039;re lucky that we&#039;re food exporters, people still have to eat.  People don&#039;t still have to buy flat screen TVs or over priced strollers for kids.  On the whole this trend away from wasteful consumption is probably positive but the shock to the system will be painful.  At least our slumping dollar makes us exporters a little better off.

One of my hobbies now is watching re-runs of residential property investment TV shows.  People with young families borrowing 100% to buy their 5th investment property.  If the producers of the show were anything other than scumbags they&#039;d be doing follow-up visits now and showing the pain and suffering the families feel now that their levered asset bubble has burst.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anything I think most new zealanders are still quite naive about the extent of pain that we&#8217;re going to feel as a result of the global slow down. </p>
<p>People the world over are freaking out and stopping buying non-essentials.   To an extent we&#8217;re lucky that we&#8217;re food exporters, people still have to eat.  People don&#8217;t still have to buy flat screen TVs or over priced strollers for kids.  On the whole this trend away from wasteful consumption is probably positive but the shock to the system will be painful.  At least our slumping dollar makes us exporters a little better off.</p>
<p>One of my hobbies now is watching re-runs of residential property investment TV shows.  People with young families borrowing 100% to buy their 5th investment property.  If the producers of the show were anything other than scumbags they&#8217;d be doing follow-up visits now and showing the pain and suffering the families feel now that their levered asset bubble has burst.</p>
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		<title>By: Koz</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2009/03/08/there-is-no-depression-in-nz-yet/#comment-9362</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johnny-johnny, outside NZ the 1987 crash was a blip that was forgotten in around a year.  A panic within a long running bull-market]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny-johnny, outside NZ the 1987 crash was a blip that was forgotten in around a year.  A panic within a long running bull-market</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Moskovitz</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The key factor that got us into this mess was that people (collectively and individually) became simultaneously stupid, greedy and lazy, allocating their time and resources into things that weren&#039;t productive (rising house prices, wars, decrepit automobile industries, rampant consumerism, etc).  The only way out will be through reorganising ourselves (collectively and individually) to be smart, generous and hardworking, focusing on the things that matter.  The devil is in the detail of course, but hopefully the current reshuffling of the pack will clean out a lot of cruft and provide a more realistic foundation for a sustainable planet.  Unfortunately there will likely be much pain along the way likely to be borne by those least capable and least culpable, but we&#039;ll emerge stronger (collectively and individually) in the end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key factor that got us into this mess was that people (collectively and individually) became simultaneously stupid, greedy and lazy, allocating their time and resources into things that weren&#8217;t productive (rising house prices, wars, decrepit automobile industries, rampant consumerism, etc).  The only way out will be through reorganising ourselves (collectively and individually) to be smart, generous and hardworking, focusing on the things that matter.  The devil is in the detail of course, but hopefully the current reshuffling of the pack will clean out a lot of cruft and provide a more realistic foundation for a sustainable planet.  Unfortunately there will likely be much pain along the way likely to be borne by those least capable and least culpable, but we&#8217;ll emerge stronger (collectively and individually) in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Coxhead</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2009/03/08/there-is-no-depression-in-nz-yet/#comment-9347</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Coxhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Ben. I&#039;m not hearing much positivity from the US or Europe, and my sense is that we&#039;re going to start doing it much tougher locally over the next 6mths.

That said, there&#039;s cause to be excited because now is the time to double down on product development...be frugal and creative and build cool stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Ben. I&#8217;m not hearing much positivity from the US or Europe, and my sense is that we&#8217;re going to start doing it much tougher locally over the next 6mths.</p>
<p>That said, there&#8217;s cause to be excited because now is the time to double down on product development&#8230;be frugal and creative and build cool stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Kepes</title>
		<link>http://rowansimpson.com/2009/03/08/there-is-no-depression-in-nz-yet/#comment-9342</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Kepes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rowan - interesting to hear your perspective. I&#039;m heading to the US in a few weeks and have been talking to lots of people there of late. My perception is different than yours - I&#039;m sensing a real negativity there that we here in New Zealand seem to be ignoring. The pessimists amongst us would say that we&#039;re standing with our heads in the sand and not seeing the tsunami which is approaching us.

I&#039;d kind of say that the &quot;yes we can&quot; attitude you&#039;ve seen is more a gung-ho reaction to a massive injection trying to continue the status quo as much as possible. It&#039;s this years, and this presidency&#039;s, war on terror - but the attitude of the general populace is still one that &quot;we can beat this thing through sheer financial clout&quot; - I&#039;m just not sure if that&#039;s a valid hope anymore...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rowan &#8211; interesting to hear your perspective. I&#8217;m heading to the US in a few weeks and have been talking to lots of people there of late. My perception is different than yours &#8211; I&#8217;m sensing a real negativity there that we here in New Zealand seem to be ignoring. The pessimists amongst us would say that we&#8217;re standing with our heads in the sand and not seeing the tsunami which is approaching us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d kind of say that the &#8220;yes we can&#8221; attitude you&#8217;ve seen is more a gung-ho reaction to a massive injection trying to continue the status quo as much as possible. It&#8217;s this years, and this presidency&#8217;s, war on terror &#8211; but the attitude of the general populace is still one that &#8220;we can beat this thing through sheer financial clout&#8221; &#8211; I&#8217;m just not sure if that&#8217;s a valid hope anymore&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny-johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johnny-johnny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Am I blind? Where&#039;s 1987 in the graph above?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I blind? Where&#8217;s 1987 in the graph above?</p>
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