Callaghan, Revisited

How do we build on Paul Callaghan’s vision for New Zealand, and update it for our current reality?

To be honest, I don’t recall what convinced me to attend. Spending an evening listening to a physicist talk about prosperity doesn’t sound like my idea of fun. And yet, there I was, on a cold Wellington evening in 2011. I rushed up the stairs at Te Papa, and quietly grabbed a seat near the back of the theatre just as the speaker was introduced.

“Tēnā koutou,” he said tentatively, conscious about his vowels.

“Ko Paul Callaghan toku ingoa”

“We don’t think very well about the future in New Zealand”

He had me at hello!

In the years since then his short talk has had an outsized impact on New Zealand. Only a small group of people attended in person and only slightly more than that have ever watched the recordings. But a much larger audience enthusiastically has adopted his memorable prescriptions, and they’ve shaped public policy significantly (although perhaps not in exactly the way he might have intended).

You may be surprised to discover exactly what Callaghan actually proposed back then.

His primary concern was our place in the world. He showed that New Zealanders work longer and harder than just about anybody, but earn less per hour than nearly all other countries we compare ourselves to (this was true then and it’s still true today).

This was a very personal point for Callaghan. By 2011 he was already facing cancer. He explained that prosperity is what allows us to afford the things we all want more of, like new cancer drugs better hospitals and skilled people to work in them.

His prescription was simply stated: he said we needed more companies that generate high revenue per employee (unlike tourism), and without a negative environmental impact (unlike dairy farming).

He counted the revenue earned by the largest software and manufacturing companies that existed at the time and extrapolated. He suggested that where we currently had ten, we needed a hundred more.

He identified that creating and sustaining these companies would depend on highly skilled and highly sought-after people. So, if we wanted to attract and retain them, New Zealand would need to be a place where those talented people chose to live and work.

Remarkably, given the things we’ve subsequently applied his name to, he explicitly warned against trying to pick favourites. He said that these businesses would be unpredictable. He anticipated that our competitive advantage would be in obscure niches, and that the companies that were eventually successful would surprise us.

He was right about all of those things.

Callaghan shared some big ideas that night. But, for me, the biggest lesson was his style of presentation, which I assume reflected his style of thinking.

He described our common beliefs, exposed the flaws and then (importantly) in each case proposed a different, better way of thinking. He didn’t just give the correct answer (from his perspective, at least); he explained why previous assumptions were wrong!

So, with that in mind, let’s catch up on the seven common myths that he spoke about, re-consider each of them now with the benefit of hindsight, and think about how his message might have been updated, if he were still here…

First things first, I encourage you to actually watch the talk.1

It’s just over 20 minutes long (13½ if you watch at 1.5x speed).

There are parts of it that have aged quite significantly, but most of it feels just as relevant today as it was in 2011.

If you’ve seen it previously watch it again, with fresh eyes if you can. And if not, sit back and enjoy it for the first time:

1. New Zealand is an egalitarian society

This is something that we still like to believe, although I feel that we’re now a little more honest about our current reality.

Callaghan used OECD income inequality data to challenge this myth - this is calculated using the Gini Coefficient, where higher values indicate higher inequality.2

In 2010 the value for New Zealand was 0.32. In 2011 (the data he used in his slides) the value was 0.35, which ranked us 26th out of the 33 “rich” countries.

In 2020 the value was still 0.32 - so there wasn’t any material change during that decade. If you go back further, we have actually been in that same range ever since 1992.

As for international comparisons, the most recent OECD data ranks us 23rd out of 37 countries, slightly behind Greece and Portugal.

In other words, despite what we think, nearly all of the other countries that we like to compare ourselves with are still more egalitarian than us.

2. New Zealand is ‘clean and green’

When Callaghan was speaking in 2011, there was significant focus in the media about the validity of the “100% Pure” message used by Tourism NZ, and how much economic output contributes to that.

John Key, who was Prime Minister at the time, would later say that 100% Pure was “like a fast food ad” and “should be taken with a pinch of salt”.

The specific example Callaghan referenced was the impact on water quality from increased dairy farming.

I wonder what he might have said then if he had known that by 2020 the output from dairy farming would increase by a further 22% (from 17,339 million litres of milk to 21,145 million litres).

He also referenced this graph, to highlight the hypocrisy of expecting other developing countries to be more respectful of their environmental impact now, when our own history in this regard is poor, especially from 1800 onwards:

All of that still feels very topical today, although the focus has now shifted away from our marketing messages and more towards our actual response to climate change.

3. We don’t need to be more prosperous

Callaghan mocked those who were dismissive of our declining prosperity:

We don’t need to be rich like those Australians

He explained that prosperity is what allows us to fund the things we all want more of - better schools, hospitals, roads and connections to the rest of the world. And many other things.

He specifically focussed on the income gap with Australia. In New Zealand we love a flattering per capita measure of success. But, unfortunately, this is not one of them!

Note: This is an updated version of the chart that Callaghan used in his talk, using the same four countries for comparison, and the most recent OECD data - USD, Current Prices & PPPs.

I was born in 1976, which is the last time that New Zealanders earned more per capita than the OECD average. By 1992 we had fallen to only 75% of the OECD average. The gap with Australia at this point was already over 20%. Since then we have struggled to catch up - both countries have improved relative to the OECD average in recent years, but that is partly a results of new countries that have joined the group and impacted the underlying average (for example, Chile, Estonia & Slovenia in 2010, Latvia in 2016 & Colombia in 2020).

Callaghan calculated the difference between New Zealand and Australia in 2010 to be around NZ$45 billion (i.e. to match the prosperity of Australia, New Zealand would need to earn NZ$45 billion more per year). This may have been an underestimate.3

So, what’s happened since then?

In 2020 Australia earned A$80,436 per capita (~117% of OECD average) while the equivalent value in New Zealand was NZ$63,613 per capita (~93% of OECD average). That suggests a gap of NZ$21,750 per capita or NZ$112 billion in total.4

However we calculate it, the gap continues to be substantial.

Callaghan was speaking in the wake of the Christchurch earthquakes, and he specifically highlighted the predicted cost of the rebuild as “severe”. It’s chilling to think that the government portion of that rebuild was $7 billion, compared to the $50 billion the government allocated in 2020 towards the COVID-19 response and the $42 billion earmarked for new infrastructure spending in the four years after that.

There is a lot of work to do!

4. We have a relaxed easy-going lifestyle

(a.k.a, to be more prosperous we’d need to work harder)

This is perhaps the most confronting statement Callaghan makes in this talk:

We are poor because we choose to be poor

What did he mean?

Specifically he meant we choose to own and work in businesses that require long hours for little output per hour worked.

He showed a plot comparing how many hours we work vs productivity (output per hour):

Note: I’ve updated this based on the most recent OECD Data, and shows all of the OCED group of countries, rather than the subset of these countries that Callaghan used in his presentation.

It showed we worked longer than just about anybody, but earned less per hour than nearly all of the other developed countries that we compare ourselves to.

So, again, what has happened in the decade since then? Have we improved at all?

Sadly, no!

In fact, we now work even harder than we did then, and with only a marginal improvement in output per hour.

We are still poor because we choose to be poor.

5. More tourism would be good for the economy

Next, Callaghan breaks it down by sector, to try and understand the component parts.

To do this he calculates the revenue per employee required to maintain then current levels of GDP, and comes up with $120,000 per job (or, more accurately per full-time equivalent employee).5

He compares that average to the values for the two biggest sectors:

The two lessons he draws from this still feel very contemporary:

Firstly, it’s a mistake to think that we could grow more prosperous on the back of more tourism. This is because each additional job in this sector, as it’s currently configured, drags the overall average down (and if we target only high value tourism jobs, as is proposed, there are by definition likely to be significantly fewer jobs and so will have less impact on overall numbers).

Secondly, we need to be careful before we dump on dairy too hard. As he says “if it weren’t for Fonterra we’d be desperately poor”. This point in particular is often missed by those who want to encourage growth in the “tech” sector - he wasn’t suggesting we needed to replace jobs in tourism or agriculture with technology jobs, but that we need to create new businesses in addition to those existing sectors.

When I tried to re-calculate Callaghan’s 2010 values using current OECD data I got a revenue per FTE value of $110.5k (slightly lower than his $120k). My equivalent value for 2020 is $144.4k (an 12% increase in real terms).6 In either case, that 2020 value is a good benchmark for current businesses - are you dragging the average up or down?

As an example, it is interesting to consider revenue per FTE for Xero, which back in 2011 wasn’t on the radar at all, but is now increasingly held up as a case study:

In FY20 Xero reported revenue of $235k per FTE. This value had increased every year since the compay was founded, and has been improving the national average ever since 2015.

6. You can’t manufacture in NZ

You can manufacture in NZ, you just need to make products with high profit margins and high value per weight

This is an interesting one.

Back then the most successful kiwi “tech” companies were nearly all manufacturers: F&P Healthcare, Rakon, Tait Electronics, Gallagher. Even Callaghan’s own company, Magritek.

So thinking about the contribution that manufacturing, and specifically ELT manufacturing (meaning elaborately transformed) could make was logical.

However, as we’ll see below, many of our recent successes have actually been software companies, with their weightless exports.

Callaghan also highlighted our very low levels of R&D investment. Interestingly this has become a big focus for Callaghan Innovation in recent years.

We have the sort of businesses that don’t need much R&D

Unfortunately the progress we’ve made since once again doesn’t make great reading:

Source: OECD &

We’ve fallen further behind.

7. We are small so we need to specialise

The instinct to pick winners is seemingly timeless.

As Callaghan explained, trying to anticipate the specific types of businesses that are likely to be successful is much more difficult than it seems on the surface (because building a successful business is not just about an innovative idea, it’s mostly about execution).

So, to re-use his ten-year-old examples, while it might seem like we should have competitive advantages in biotech or cleantech, actually the large amounts invested in those areas from the top down have had little impact. Instead he predicted “we better be prepared to be good at some pretty weird stuff”.

So, where have our successes in the time since actually come from?

Before we can answer that we need to skip ahead to his prescription.

In the talk he highlighted the top ten exporters from the 2010 TIN Report.7 Together those ten companies generated $3.9 billion of revenue per year. The top three, F&P Appliances, Datacom and F&P Healthcare, accounted for nearly 60% of that amount.

His proposal was simple in theory: to generate the additional $45 billion needed to close the gap with Australia we needed 100 companies of that size (actually 115 additional companies, for a total of 125 companies, but let’s not get distracted by detailed maths).

So, how how much progress have we made towards this target?

By 2020 the TIN Report listed 18 companies that were at least as large as the 10th largest from 2010:8

So, a net increase of just eight companies.

Together those 18 companies contributed additional revenue of $3.53 billion. That means in ten years we got less than 10% of the way towards Callaghan’s original target.

This trend is even more depressing, if you consider that the very first TIN Report in 2005 contained 13 companies with reported revenue greater than $100m. This increased to 17 companies by 2010 and to 25 companies by 2020. So even over that longer time period the growth of new companies in that bracket has been pretty anaemic.

There is a litany of problems with the TIN Report, in my opinion - both how the data is collected and reported, which companies are included or not, and who can access the data because of how it’s packaged and sold.

But, putting that aside for the moment, and reflecting on the prescription that Callaghan gave us all, I wonder if he actually got some important things wrong:

Firstly, when we look at the companies that have grown the most in the years since he spoke, many are software companies. When we think about manufacturing we’re looking for exports that are higher volume by weight, and thinking about the expensive R&D that is typically required to develop those types of businesses. So, where do software companies fit in - with technology that is often actually low-tech, but with potential that has been proven multiple times now to generate a lot of weightless export revenue? Of course, this should be a “yes, and …” not a “yes, but …”

Secondly, the results further down the list have been much more impressive. In 2010 the 100th biggest company listed in the TIN Report was Triodent with revenues of $12m. In 2020 the 100th biggest company was Modica Group with nearly twice that much revenue ($21.2m). In 2010 there were 51 companies listed with more than $30m revenue. By 2020 that number had increased to 79 companies (a 55% increase). So, maybe rather than focussing on a small number of very large companies, the “weird stuff” we are good at is actually going to produce a much larger number of smaller companies.

Which leads us to an even bigger mistake, in my opinion.

Towards the end of the talk Callaghan references the average size of the largest companies in the TIN Index, and says:

I believe that just a hundred inspired entrepreneurs could turn this country around. It only takes one genius entrepreneur to make a company like this. So, a hundred individuals could earn us $40 billion a year in exports.

Reflecting his own myth busting approach back at him… this is a common misconception.

We’re not a small country, but we are a very lightly populated country. Because we don’t have a lots of people with the skills we require to be competitive, people-lite solutions like this will always look attractive.

It’s a typically Kiwi attitude to put innovators and inventors on a pedastal like this (and to talk about #8 wire and punching above our weight). It’s tempting to believe that one person makes the difference, just as we like to believe that New Zealand is clean and green or that to be more prosperous we’d just need to work harder.

But we know now it takes much more than one crazy individual to create an enduring high-growth company.

It’s true that there is often just a single name attached to each of the businesses that becomes big enough to get our attention (Trade Me is Sam Morgan, Xero is Rod Drury, Rocket Lab is Peter Beck etc etc). And this same small group of visible founders get the bulk of the headlines. But, as soon as we scratch the surface of any of these companies we find that they were actually built by a large team of people, with a wide range of skills and specialities, all working together.

Further down the curve there are many other founders, under the radar, who have created significant smaller businesses, each with their own teams. Often the first we hear of these are when the business is sold.

All of those founders need to hire hundreds of qualified people. We don’t only need 100 people. We need 10,000 people contributing their expertise to these businesses. Then 100,000.

What are the constraints to that?

Callaghan correctly identified that skilled people would be the most significant constraint to creating and sustaining these companies. To attract and retain them, he said, New Zealand would need to …

Be the place where talent wants to live.

This idea has been very popular ever since. I think part of the reason is that many of us just assumed it was already true, so there was nothing we needed to do. And yet, today our growth companies are desparately short of the people they need.

I wish he’d phrased it differently.

Firstly, people are not talent. People have talents.

Secondly, it’s not enough to just have skilled people live here. We can’t just be the place where people who have already been successful come to retire or escape from the world. We need those people who are still hungry for success to work here.

Finally, we never connect the dots between these skilled people and our collective prosperity. Successful companies create a huge amount of value for the individuals involved. But we never explain how that value flows also to everybody.

It doesn’t roll off the tongue quite so easily but a revised version might be:

Be the place where people who contribute more than they capture want to live and work.

But, even then, what does that mean?

Why will these people choose New Zealand? We need to understand and describe our competitive advantage. It needs to be much more specific than “100% Pure”.

This present moment
used to be
the unimaginable future.

Go back to the very first statement Callaghan makes in this keynote:

We don’t think very well about the future

The thing about the future is it’s happening constantly. The future he was trying to imagine years ago is what we now call the present.

In March 2012, just a few months after I saw him speak, Callaghan lost his battle with cancer. The biggest mistake we can make today, when we consider his legacy, is to just repeat his mantras without understanding that if he were still here now his thinking would have developed and evolved, based on the results that have been achieved and the lessons learned in the process.

I imagine he would be delighted but not surprised that the biggest successes so far were all somewhat unpredictable, even as recently as 2011. And he would warn us that future successes are likely to be just as unexpected.

The question is:

How do we build on the ideas he shared, and update them for our current reality?


Data referenced in this essay was correct as at September 2022.

There are a lot of numbers and charts that inform this analysis.

I’m grateful for the following organisations for the data sources which help to shine a light on the questions I’m asking:

Notably, the only data set I’ve relied on which isn’t freely available is the TIN Report. The 2020 version of this report cost me $399+GST. For that I got a link and password to access a digital copy of the report, which I couldn’t even download to use offline. I encourage those at NZTE and other government organisations who have funded this report extensively over the years to stop and consider what they’ve enabled with that funding.

  1. The filmed version of the talk I’ve linked to in the body of this essay is from a workshop hosted by StrategyNZ in 2010, called Mapping our Future. His talk that day was titled Sustainable Economic Growth For New Zealand: An Optimistic Myth Busting Approach.

    This wasn’t the first time he gave a version of this talk, and it definitely wasn’t the last.

    The lecture I attended in 2011 was part of a series of events around the country organised by the Royal Society of New Zealand, shortly after he was named Kiwibank New Zealander of the Year and by then the title had been updated to be much more direct in it’s aspiration: New Zealand: The Place Where Talent Wants To Live.

    As Nicola Gaston pointed out in an interview with NBR, Callaghan tailored his message depending on the audience that he was speaking to, so perhaps it’s not surprising that some of the original intent has been lost over time. ↩︎

  2. It would be useful to run this analysis using wealth as the measure rather than incomes. I believe the OECD Gini Coefficient numbers are calculated excluding housing costs. Given the extent to which house prices have had attention in the news (and public policy announcements) in recent times, what impact does that have when they are included? ↩︎

  3. The difference between New Zealand and Australia in 2010, using current OECD data was ~32% (so a bit lower than Callaghan’s figure of 35%), the OECD average GDP per capita in 2010 was US$11,674 per capita, which suggests the gap back then was more like US$51 billion - significantly more than Callaghan’s estimate of US$35 billion. ↩︎

  4. This gap is calculated using the most recent OECD data, but this time using the Local Currency, Current Prices measures. ↩︎

  5. This is a relatively simple calculation, using his numbers: GDP per capita = ~$40k, Population = 3.9 million, FTEs = 1.3 million, so each of those 1.3 million FTEs needs to earn ~$120k to get to a GDP of $40k across the whole population. ↩︎

  6. My calculation is available here: Callaghan, Revisited Calculations ↩︎

  7. The top ten exporters from the 2010 TIN Report (revenues as reported):

    1. F&P Appliances ($1.1b)
    2. Datacom ($667m)
    3. F&P Healthcare ($503m)
    4. NDA ($200m)
    5. Tait Electronics ($200m)
    6. Temperzone ($163m)
    7. Gallagher ($160m)
    8. Douglas Pharmaceuticals ($145m)
    9. Rakon ($144.5m)
    10. Moffat ($140m)
  8. Curiously Moffat itself was not one of those having dropped to $80m revenue - their 2010 result was just an estimate, so perhaps an over-estimate at the time? ↩︎

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